As much as I’ve already written about the knee, it never seems to be enough. I often take a poll in workshops when heading into the knee section and on most occasions one quarter to half the students will raise their hands when asked how many people are experiencing knee pain? This isn’t necessarily a yoga problem, but it’s showing up there.
This is a requested article, someone asked me to write specifically about lotus and the medial meniscus. When I do my unscientific polling in workshops, approximately 80% of those people complaining about pain in their knee, say that they experience pain on the medial side of their knee. Approximately 10 – 15% complain about pain on the outside of their knee. The remainder usually complains about pain running through the centerline of their knee or around the kneecap. All three areas express stress in the knee in different ways.
Pain on the inside of the knee seems to be the most popular and is almost always associated with the leg being in a half or full lotus position. My statistics are only my own personal and simple observations turned into a working hypothesis. It seems to me that the most common cause of pain on the inside of the knee is compression of the medial meniscus. I say this cautiously because I know that not all pain on the inside of the knee is going to be the medial meniscus. Nor am I saying that because you have pain on the inside of your knee does this mean that you have already torn your meniscus. You may simply be irritating it repeatedly in the same area.
I’m actually finishing this newsletter up in Savannah, GA while doing a week of Mysore Classes at Savannah Yoga Center. There are two students with pain on the inside of their knee and both seem to be more hamstring or adductor related. Good assessment is the key and that goes way beyond the scope of a newsletter.
There are of course other structures in this area that can get inflamed or irritated and cause pain on the inside of the knee. Some of these structures are the medial collateral ligament (MCL), various muscles crossing the inside of the knee and even the joint’s capsule can get compressed and bothered.
The reason I lean toward the medial meniscus compression is that I have heard so many stories of knees popping with it in the lotus position. Swelling in the back of the knee and sometimes a regular clicking sound often follows the pop. It’s also possible that the knee will lock intermittently after the original pop happens. All of these are classic signs and symptoms of a meniscus tear. The best way to confirm if the meniscus has torn is to go to the doctor and have an MRI taken.
What is the Meniscus anyway?
There are two separate pieces of cartilage that make up the meniscus in each knee. Each is an additional piece of cartilage that sits between the femur and the tibia. These are of course the two bones that come together to make the knee joint (femorotibial joint). This extra piece of cartilage serves a couple of functions, one is to add cushioning to the joint and the second is to help with the function of the joint and allow the knee to flex, extend and rotate in the ways that it does.
Each side of the meniscus is more or less crescent shaped and sits on top of the tibia, an area referred to as the tibial plateau. One of the meniscus lives on the inside (medial) and the other is on the outside (lateral). Therefore we have what we call a medial and lateral meniscus. You can further divide them front to back, which in anatomical terms is anterior (front) and posterior (back). The area of the meniscus that is most commonly torn is the posterior portion of the medial meniscus. This also seems to be the area most affected and most commonly injured in the lotus scenario we’re talking about.
If the meniscus tears, can it heal?
This is perhaps the most common question. Unfortunately the answer is a little complicated. The answer depends on where and how badly the meniscus is torn.
In general (there are always exceptions) tears that occur to the outer edge of the meniscus can heal on their own. The reason for this is that there is a small blood supply that feeds this outer edge and can help it heal. The inner part of the meniscus normally doesn’t heal on it’s own (there are always exceptions). It is when the tears are in this area that surgery could be required. It’s also possible that a tear is small enough that one can live with it for quite some time. But keep this in mind… Joints are used to functioning with nearly no friction. A tear in the meniscus is an area where there will be an increase in friction, hence why it often causes irritation, swelling and pain. This friction can do a couple of things, one it can lead to the tear growing in size and two it can also damage the cartilage on the femur that has to slide over the torn area.
Why is the medial meniscus getting compressed?
There are two movements that when combined would put the most amount of pressure on the medial meniscus. The two movements are flexion of the knee and internal (medial) rotation of the tibia. In lotus both the femur and the tibia have to rotate externally. If the tibia doesn’t have enough outward rotation, there still could be enough in the hip to make up for it, or vice versa. If however both the tibia and the femur lack in their ability to do external rotation then what you have is more internal rotation, which by itself can put pressure onto the medial meniscus. When you combine this with the knee being flexed, as it is in lotus you end up with even more pressure on the medial meniscus.
If you have pain on the inside of your knee, the simple test to see if its a rotational issue is to rotate both your upper and lower leg in external rotation while in lotus (be careful not to push your knee toward the floor too strongly). I’ve covered this aspect extensively in the knee section of YogAnatomy Volume 1. A section is also available at the bottom of the YogAnatomy home page. This section also shows you other options for what you can do if you already have pain on the inside of your knee (you can also pay for and download the entire knee section here).
What if you have pain on the outside or in the centerline of your knee around the patella?
No, I didn’t forget. If you have pain on the outside of your knee, you’re in a club of your own. When I meet people who have pain here, I often find (there are exceptions) that rotation internally of both tibia and femur results in a decrease in their pain (the opposite of what to do if pain is on the inside). Upon further questioning, many of these people are or were runners or cyclists. My hypothesis at the moment is that a tight Iliotibial bands (ITB) is the culprit (I’m sure there are exceptions). The ITB seems to be placing some type of rotational force on the knee that is causing pain. I assume it’s rotational in nature because when I rotate the femur and tibia internally, the pain is reduced or goes away.
If the pain is through the midline of the knee I tend to focus on the quadriceps group of muscles first. Either they lack flexibility or they lack strength and either of these could be causing trouble in the knee. I realize that this is unspecific but the actual assessment of the person would be necessary to determine which is the case and what should be done.
The reason for checking the quadriceps when the pain is through the centerline of the knee is because this group of muscles literally wraps around the patella to get to its final destination on the tibia. Therefore it is intimately associated with the functioning of the knee particularly in straightening (extending) the knee. Having said that, there are a number of other issues that can show up in and around the patella, including arthritis and build up of scar tissue under the patella itself.
A final note on surgery for meniscus tears
I’m definitely not an advocate for unnecessary surgery. Only you can decide what to do with your own body. If you have a torn meniscus and know it and have been avoiding surgery there are a couple of things you should keep in mind. One is that the success rate for removing a small piece of meniscus is very high, around 90% perhaps higher. This means that the surgery doesn’t lead to any further deterioration of the area and wouldn’t need surgery again. If it’s a large tear and they remove a larger piece, this percentage drops. Finally if they do the type of meniscus surgery where they stitch the meniscus back together, the success rate drops to about 65%.
Second, is that there can be secondary effects of leaving a meniscus tear untreated such as an uneven wearing on the cartilage in the joint, particularly on the femur. This could potentially lead to arthritis in the long term.
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Hi thank you for this article!
I suffer from a menuscus problem, and it seems to be very tear (when looking at the MRT)
My question is:
my doctor said, to try to avoid the operation taking care of the problem, during a healing period of 6 months. however, Im alway scare, that is not healing and to have a problem on my cartilage joints (as you mention). Sometimes it hurts and sometimes not. my muscles seems to be very strong to the point the take out some of the pressure from the meniscus. when is the right time to get the operation?
I practice ashtanga regularly
thank you
Anita
Hi Anita,
I can’t say when the “right” time is for you to have surgery. It’s a difficult decision. I’m going to guess that if the doctor is telling you that it is a 6 month recovery that you have a large tear. The method of repair for larger tears is to essentially stitch them together. This requires the knee to be immobilized for about 6 weeks. Small tears do not require immobility after surgery.
It’s up to you to decide how bad the tear is, as in how it is effecting your daily life. Does it impede you from doing things you want to do? Difficult to decide… for sure.
David
Hi David,
Some day i would probably need an operation. As I understood that´s a Fact.
My uncertainty: If I wait until i am older to get the surgery done, maybe I increase the chances of Arthritis?
At the moment, i feel ok, minor pain one in a while. My legs feel strong and slowly my hips find themselves more open, bringing less pressure on the knee.
I realize that lotus seems more possible because of the hips being more open. Nevertheless the problem of rotation on the tibia will never be possible, I assume. Ardha Baddha Padmottanasana or Marichyasana B feels impossible!
Anita.
i bought chapter 5-6, its great! thank you for this.
forgot to add to the end of the post, that I used to train for a marathon and from there comes the meniscus problem. Flat feet and the wrong shoes, I guess.
David,
I’ve tried the external rotation to no avail. I know you’ll be passing through here soon, but in the mean time for those of us who have adductor or hamstring related issues what would you recommend when working on half lotus. I have added fire log, and an IT band stretch to my nightly routine in the hopes of loosening the hips enough to allow for a more comfortable lotus. However, I find that in my morning practice I have to lay off the half lotus positions in favour of my knees.
Monique
Hi Monique,
Where is it that I will be passing through? At this point I would have to have a lot more details and probably physically see you to assess what the problem could be. It’s certainly true that external rotation isn’t always the answer.
Edinburgh, UK I am hoping to get a spot in your one week Mysore. I think that in my case observation would go a long way.
Hi David,
I can totally relate to your article. I have had a complete ACL replacement on both knees (left in 2006 & right in 2009) On my right knee, I also tore the medial meniscus in the inner part of the knee where the blood flow is limited. (I began practicing yoga AFTER my surgeries.)
Today my knee pain is rarely present in yoga, obviously i feel a slight discomfort in lotus (thus I barely do it). But I also feel it Warrior 3/Twisted Triangle or in any right leg standing balance pose in which my hips are square. The pressure due to the extra weight bearing on the inner part of the right knee can be very tricky. I mainly wanted to reply to this post to share that I have noticed a very significant reduction in pain by taking an OTC joint formula. I have been taking Nature’s Bounty Flex-a-min Triple Strength Joint Flex Formula with Univestin plus Vitamin D + MSM. I began feeling the difference within a few weeks and now I can even jog again without the knee soreness.
PS. Love the website!
Hey David, I am stopping *everyone* at marychi d if they cannot bind. 1) to allow the method to do it’s work 2) to be consistent with what i’m teaching… I have had some severe reactions, even tears. I feel this is the best way (too much to say here)! Would you mind posting your thoughts on this and share your opinion on what you would do with students going perhaps ‘too far’. thank you. Can’t wait to meet you!
Hi Susan,
Quick reply is that postures such as Mari D require the openness to already be in the lotus part relative to the knee. Tears coming, is sad, ego getting bruised unfortunately. I often give people lotus work to do after they’ve given a pose like this a try. So they feel like they’re moving forward still. It’s a very tricky subject… the moving on when not being able to do a posture. It probably does warrant a full post. I’ll add it to my list.
Looking forward to being in Edinburgh!